Who should be considered responsible?

I'm shocked and disgusted that people could possibly have seen that video - or even read about it! - and actually try to minimise that woman's role and responsibility. SHE abused both of those children, one with torture and the other by forcing him to record it.

And yes, Dana, I'm referring to you and your answers to both this question and the one that inspired it. Don't you dare say that minimouse deliberately misconstrued what you said, it was there in black and white and I read it too!

You WERE and you ARE defending that woman when you talk about the video being edited and infer sensationalist motives and when you blame the Russian orphanage for failure to disclose behavioural disorders in children.

The FACT is that she did put hot sauce in the boy's mouth and put him in a cold shower and made the other kid film it. It's that simple. An American daytime TV show didn't invent it for ratings and they most likely actually edited out the more horrible parts of it. And yeah, we know about Russian orphanages, but you are really implying they dumped a problem child on her and drove her to abuse.

And what is sickening is that there are other people who are right there with you on this minimisation of responsibilty and blame game and some of them are here in Adoption.

ABSOLUTELY the abusers should be held responsible. And anyone who adopts internationally should know that there is likely incomplete or inaccurate health/social/emotional history on their child or that it could even flat out be falsified. However, while I think the abusers should absolutely be held responsible, I think people should work to fix the other parts of the system that help to set a child up to be abused. The parents should be prosecuted, more should be expected of homestudy agencies in terms of preparation and expectations AND post-adoption support and monitoring, and pressure should absolutely be put on agencies to give as acurate information about a child as possible. I think recognizing that the other parts of the picture being improved could prevent some abuse doesn't resolve the abusers of responsibility.

The person committing the abuse, obviously - which in this case is very very clearly the adoptoraptor.

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I believe I made that clear, that the adoptive parents were not responsible.

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Seriously woman, how the frak can ANYONE see you as being a sane and sensible person to foster and adopt when you're denying that a blatant abuser is blatantly abusing a kid. I sooooooooooooooo wish I knew where you lived so I could give your authorities a heads-up to what you deem as not abusive! Sick, sick, SICK!

had it been a biological mom, the very same people defending her would be picketing with torches demanding that CYS snatches her kids...

when biological parents commit acts "deemed as abusive" they are simply,"abusive." when adoptive parents commit acts "deemed as abusive" it's because they were hustled by some social service agency or orphanage, and were unable to cope.

i really wish medvedev could channel me, because the entire program would be shut down.

i'm really tired of the adoptive/biological parent abuse double-standard.

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Child abuse is reprehensible, no matter by whom it is perpetrated.

The adoptive parents are 100% responsible.

Ultimately the adoptive parents are responsible. And they were abusive.

I hope that Russia decides to "outlaw" adoptions with the US. They, at least, are outraged that their children have been abused and killed at the hands of US adoptive parents!

The abuser - as NOTHING is an excuse to abuse or harm another human being. Especially if the abused is a child - what defense do they have?

@Dena: HUGE sense of self-entitlement WHoA! Well you've certainly convinced me NOW that some of you ARE baby snatchers - willing to pay top dollar for a "perfect" white-womb baby.

Not surprisingly, you have deliberately misconstrued what I said. I did not EVER, and I believe I made that clear, that the adoptive parents were not responsible.

What I said, and what you don't seem to want to take into consideration, is that Dr. Phil and shows like his, hype things up in order to get ratings. Since no one on this board has seen the whole, unedited video, we don't know what all went on.

Furthermore, there seems to be a lot of problems stemming from children coming from Russia and the former Soviet Bloc countries. Is that the child's fault? No, nor did I ever say it was. It is the agencies fault. I don't believe that they *fully disclose* all the issues and behaviors that a child has. Also, once in the US, unlike in the US foster care system, there is no support from the agency for the adoptive parents. Therefore, if they get a child whose behaviors are in the extreme and uncontrollable, they, the parents, really have very few people to turn to.

So, once again, the ultimate responsibility lies with the parents. However, yes, I do believe that the agency bares some responsibility for the outcome if they do not FULLY DISCLOSE the child's behaviors beforehand.